Thank you robcelani for your reply i appreciate you trying to help me out ii know being a newbie here is not going to help me sell my knives i havent had much experiance selling online besides craigslist i do not have a computer so its a bitch trying to upload photos through the iphone, therefore if you are genuine about purchasing something i advise you to shoot me a p.m and i will give you my email address so i can send you some detailed photos